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Old 6th June 2021, 02:22   #1
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i watch most tv shows w subtitles on. bad hearing.

but lately every last show has them out of synch. subs too early, subs too late. i have to fiddle with the "track synch" option, but even that only lasts a segment or so. as in, need to "set to -4 @beg; -7 after first ad; -10 after second ad". drives me NUTS!

worse yet, today i watched one which was all over the map. i had to keep changing the setting like every 3 mins. and even then, it crapped out on the last 6 lines. what gives? i visually checked the file; nothing weird in there (usually missing lines is b/c some TYPO messes up the timestamps. none here.)

any suggestions? it ruins every last show i watch.

used to watch first pass sans subs, then SECOND pass struggle with all this, but maybe i got complacent. whole lot of shows i got used to the -4/-7/-10 pattern, and it became less of a burden. not this one TODAY tho!!

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Are the subs provided with video, or are you getting them second hand?

It sounds like you are adding subs from a different source.
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when they come with bundled subs, i use those. those rarely have any problem. but for the 80% of things which DON'T come with any, yes, i'm using 3d party -- usually from opensubtitles.

i try to match up the version to w/e my file is named, but that's rarely necessary -- except for the rare case in which multiple videos exist (regular vs directors' cut of a movie, say), most subs are all the same. if there's 5 available on opensubs for a given show, say, my experience is that any/all or the 5 will fit just fine.

problem is on the VIDEO end. rippers/posters trimming out ads in diff manner or recording things at diff speed. concrete example -- broad city had one season which matched subs perfectly but then the next season everything ran exactly 4s behind. it was because of a "tonight on comedy central..." type lead-in.

then one season had the progressive 4/7/10s lag mentioned above. clearly something was 3s "off" with each of the commercials.

not sure what's even to be done. if there's a source where all vids start out with bundled subs, well, obviously that'd solve everything. or -- as someone suggested --
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errr. postus interruptus.

"as someone suggested..." = using closed captions rather than subtitles.

so far my experience has borne this out, WHEN they're avail. (they rarely are)

still not even sure of the diff. CC just equals subs with sound effects etc added. right?

well, there's SUBS like that as well, so what's the point?

popup somewhere states that CC are autogenerated, but my impression is the exact opposite. regular "subs" far more likely to be full of botgook.

in any case, creation at diff stage might indeed help "synch" probs. not sure yet.
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As you are watching captured programs, this isn't surprising to me. Everyone could be capturing in different formats, and assuming they are cutting the commercials, they could be editing differently which results in varying total runtimes. Subtitle files are timed and display based on the current run time. And are only likely to correctly sync with the original file.

If you were watching episodes ripped from a DVD, for example, this wouldn't be an issue. I don't know how you could go about matching the video files to the correct subtitle file.
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captured vs ripped? most of these files have names with "DVD" or "BluRay" in them, but some do say "WebDL". when they say NEITHER ("....720p.HDTV.x264-AVS", say) do i assume they are webDLs?

note that even when the title MATCHES the subs, still it may have a skew!

i just wish VLC has a way easier "resynch" method. it is so tricky to open that popup and fumble with the tiny up/down buttons mid-scene. bad enuf when u have to do it every 20 mins (where commercial had been), but on the occasional file where things just KEEP drifting (underground 2-05**, just watched today -- had to change it EVERY TWO MINUTES), it is hell.

not sure why i even mentioned "CC", i don't even see that in VLC. the only time i see that is when i watch something live (youtube) in a browser.


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** then 2-06 perfectly synched up, without even the FIXED skew of some of the easier ones! i don't get it -- both the videos and the subs DLed as "full season"s; i wuda thunk any skews that might be present would be constant from ep to ep.
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TV shows transmitted OTA with subtitles are always slightly delayed. When Cable and Satelllite companies re-transmit the TV station's OTA program they compress the resolution and bitrate of the video resulting in an even more out of sync of the closed captioning or subtitles. When movies first became available for download with closed captioning or subtitles the pairing with the video resolution was specifically designed to coincide with the respective resolution and bitrate so that everything was in sync. If you changed the bitrate or the resolution your closed captioning or subtitles were out of sync. If you have a tool to open the closed captioning or subtitle file you will find the required video bitrate and resolution for it to be in sync. But be careful not to make any changes to the file or it won't work any more!
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If you changed the bitrate or the resolution your closed captioning or subtitles were out of sync. If you have a tool to open the closed captioning or subtitle file you will find the required video bitrate and resolution for it to be in sync. But be careful not to make any changes to the file or it won't work any more!
i still think it has more to do with editing around commercials than with bitrate or resolution -- since most of these have skew getting worse EXACTLY where the breaks had been -- but either way, where am i seeing those bitrate/res figures? i have SRTs at present which open fine in notepad, etc., but i see neither bitrate nor resolution anywhere. i do see "resynced by..." at the end of most of them, however. so at what point was THAT done, such that it needs to be done...AGAIN?

don't have any SSA SUB SBV or VTT files at present; not sure whether those were affected likewise.
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